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    Old 09-23-2010, 02:14 PM
    Urumqi Urumqi is offline
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    Yo,

    First of all let me state I am fully in support of the raid wing, how it selectes members and all the rules and requirements that go with it.

    I just feel we shoudl consider a tweak to the application process. I feel that once the the application form is submitted, nothing more should be posted publicly other than the status of the application.

    If there are questions or suggestions on what needs to be improved to make the grade, I think this should be done through PM's or in game private chats.

    Its not always plesent for people to be told in a public all the faults and failings of their build/gear/gems. Whilst these issues do need to be pointed out to the applicant, I dont think in public is always the best way.

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    Old 09-23-2010, 03:02 PM
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    it is actually quite a good system to me, as if you know some players are playing your class in the spec/role you are you can check up their application and find out if you have made any of the same mistakes.

    to be honest I'm more than happy to let people see the mistakes I made if it can help another person improve their game.
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    Old 09-23-2010, 04:19 PM
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    you can still see their applications and the status, you just dont have to see any mistakes aired in public.

    There are a million websites out there about how to spec, gem gear for your class, we dont need to call out people who have not got it right first time here.
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    Old 09-23-2010, 05:05 PM
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    I personally disagree Uru. Seeing a full application process allows others applying to know exactly what it entails, and also allows others to pick up on any handy tips that are mentioned. In some cases it also allows other players of that class to bring something to the discussion.

    Futhermore the more open and transparent a system is the harder it is for favouritism or flat out corruption of the system, as everyone can see it happening. I know that's not going to be the case with us, but it's better to be safe than suddenly find that Chewwie has approved all his cronies and we have 25 hunters in a raid.
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    Old 09-23-2010, 05:08 PM
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    and klog that raid would be the most epic thing to ever hit WoW.
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    Old 09-23-2010, 06:58 PM
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    it's better to be safe than suddenly find that Chewwie has approved all his cronies and we have 25 hunters in a raid.
    ^^ This is why it's done on the forum.

    I do take your point Uru and can see that it may not be to everyone's taste. We can't please eveyone, it's just not possible. It's good to have feedback about the process - if we're doing it wrong we'll change it, I'm sure. Perhaps we could make it more personal. In truth being called out is never nice. Believe me, it's not nice doing it. If everyone who applied had ironed out all of the creases before they applied, there would be no criticism. But that's just not the case. Therein lies the reason we decided to start the Raid Wing.

    Criticism CAN be avoided by doing some research and/or asking in a PM (or in game) first. This is how lots of raiding guilds deal with their raiding applications. That said, everyone who applies is ALREADY in our guild. That's a massive advantage in applying. You can sound us (esp me) out before making the application. That will perhaps give us a chance to get rid of any 'clangers' prior to applying. The process is designed to make sure that we take 25 optimally geared characters to every progression raid. The rest is upto the individual. We could try doing that in a closed system but it would not in my opinion work. It would also take too long to complete.

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    PS. I have cronies?
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    Old 09-26-2010, 03:37 PM
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    Easy answer is to add one more question:

    Would you like comments to be made public?

    That way everyone is happy.
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    Old 09-26-2010, 04:14 PM
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    Quote:
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    Easy answer is to add one more question:

    Would you like comments to be made public?.
    Do we have that as an option? Could be useful
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    Old 09-26-2010, 04:48 PM
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    One of the reasons behind creating an application process was to help all our regular raiders to improve, and to that end reading what other people have to say, even if its not about your app, is very helpful.

    I do think, however, that you need to be careful that you're not unfairly critical or AT ALL personal in your public comments. Everyone is guilty of this from time to time, but there are occasions when something is better left unsaid, or if you really must say it, do it in a less public forum.
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    Old 09-26-2010, 04:52 PM
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    Do we have that as an option? Could be useful
    I don't think that would work. There should be one rule for everyone with no exceptions and no get out clause. If you add the option then everyone would tick the box and the guild loses a very good source of information on what the wing leaders are thinking and that will make it all the harder for other people to know if their spec makes the grade.

    This has been an incredibly successful process so far so why change something that ain't broke.

    I understand the point that Uru is making but so long as those applying are prepared to accept the comments made with good grace then there should be no problems. The comments made on this forum are very useful to everyone, not just those who want to be Raid Wing members
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