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    Old 01-25-2011, 06:25 PM
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    [url]http://www.arenajunkies.com/rankings/player/[/url]

    Holy is certainly competitive and not nearly as bad as made to sound in the original post.

    Just because PCG is outside the top 100 doesn't mean we can't learn from what the top 100 are doing.
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    Old 01-25-2011, 07:05 PM
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    As to say Batisim of fire is the way the minority of players got into PvP, is silly, i'd say 80% of the horde side on my old server (80% > 20% so thats not a a minority) Tried the same method, and several of the people i have contact with on that server, have gladiator titles, and are the kind of people in pvp who dont rely on a full pvp set to do the job (Like me).
    Didn't say that at all. The majority of people who currently play PvP got in that way, of course. I'm saying I'd imagine a minority of people who TRY to get into PvP that way don't stick with it. If I say the majority of people don't become doctors because medical degrees are horrible to get, and you say that's wrong, because you're a doctor, and all the doctors you know have med degrees, so they can't be that bad, we're sort of at cross-purposes there...

    I don't know what proportion of the total WoW player base are active pvpers, but in a guild this size, it's a fairly small proportion of what we do. If the only, or even best, way to get into it is to jump in at the deep end, it's going to remain a small part of the guild, which I think is a shame.

    As for the point about never seeing the same people twice, that's perfectly true, yet the experience of bgs remains similar - because that's the prevailing atmosphere. Maybe that's unavoidable in a competitive environment, fine, but the point is people are less likely to be put off by that if they're a little more confident and prepared going in in the first place.

    And I'm really not having a go at you or anything Levi, but stuff like "you just need two braincells" makes it sound like you're saying that people who aren't good at PvP are morons. That's a very common attitude I get (it exists in other parts of the game, sure, but it's very noticeable in terms of PvP). It's a shame that so many of the conversations you see in guild chat are along the lines of:

    "X class is overpowered"
    "No they're not, all you have to do is Y, and you'll win every time." - the implication, or sometimes absolutely explicitly stated conclusion, being that if you lose, you've no business playing the game. Like anything else, it's a learning curve, and I think we've a lot of potential in the guild to help people with that process.
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    "X class is overpowered"
    "No they're not, all you have to do is Y, and you'll win every time." - the implication, or sometimes absolutely explicitly stated conclusion, being that if you lose, you've no business playing the game. Like anything else, it's a learning curve, and I think we've a lot of potential in the guild to help people with that process.
    It is a learning curve. Some classes seem invincible, but they are not, you just need to find your ways of killing them. But the last thing you should do is give up :/ There are ALOT of dicks in PvP, they are just people who blame everyone else for their mistakes, just ignore them and attempt to get some sort of controll. Or go in with a few friends and work in a small team, that can easily sway to course of battle.

    I used to play a huntard in Wrath, and I started later on in the PVP world and I HATED shadow priests with a passion. But from the community of hunters on SWC I was shown how to kill them.

    We have a responsiblility to teach.

    Just as an off note, Ill take people into 5v5 arena if they want to give it a try, its new teritory for me, plus any wins will contribute to the guild achi which we are about 250 off now

    AND, I want to get a ret set together for PVP, so give me a heads up if you want to do some BG's
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    Old 01-26-2011, 03:22 PM
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    I don't know what proportion of the total WoW player base are active pvpers, but in a guild this size, it's a fairly small proportion of what we do. If the only, or even best, way to get into it is to jump in at the deep end, it's going to remain a small part of the guild, which I think is a shame.


    And I'm really not having a go at you or anything Levi, but stuff like "you just need two braincells" makes it sound like you're saying that people who aren't good at PvP are morons. That's a very common attitude I get (it exists in other parts of the game, sure, but it's very noticeable in terms of PvP). It's a shame that so many of the conversations you see in guild chat are along the lines of:

    "X class is overpowered"
    "No they're not, all you have to do is Y, and you'll win every time." - the implication, or sometimes absolutely explicitly stated conclusion, being that if you lose, you've no business playing the game. Like anything else, it's a learning curve, and I think we've a lot of potential in the guild to help people with that process.
    It really is a shame PvP is a small part of this guild, and i wish it was bigger, but it doesn't seem to be for everyone here (Which is also a shame)

    I guess i did come across a bit, well of a dick when i went on the whole braincells thing, but it is true that it doesn't take much thought to do the smart things in terms of pvp, but i dont mean to say those who are bad at pvp are morons, i didnt mean that, i mean people who are bad either a) there for a laugh and dont care at all, or just enjoy keyboard turning and back peddling (Which are as most people sa no nos in most aspect of the game, bar RP)

    But, to regards the g chat thing you said, i'v never said 'do X Y Z and you will win every game' that hasnt worked and never will, in any aspect of the game, i'v said that this is a way that makes winning easier, like having the mod Gladius (I'v never said that exactly but its an example) or using a certain, and yes i will say it, overpowered comp, Like RMP used to be one the best comps, and still is (Rouge Mage Priest if you wernt familiar). But some things are OP, and everyone says it, but not everyone is right and im not saying i always am, but when it comes to PvP i know my stuff, and i know what works, and what just does not stand a chance.
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    Yet you said Prot pallies are useless in Arena because they don't do enough damage, which hints at you clearly not "knowing your stuff" since a Prot Pally is often capable of alot more damage in PvP than a Ret paladin, while also bringing considerably more utility and better staying power than his poor two handed skirt wearing cousin.

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    Old 01-27-2011, 05:24 PM
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    I dont suppose you've tried this for yourself slash? Because we have, and we know what were on about.
    Protadins cannot bring enough damage to bear (But soak a good deal of damage admitidly) But retadins can bring out enough damage, and although they are squishier, we run with a healer comp so we cna cover that (Along side various CDs being used if being nuked)
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    Old 01-27-2011, 05:25 PM
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    Or maybe, your going to use theory craft over experiance to prove us wrong?
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    Having reviewed some threads on the idea of prot it seems to be dead unless you can get the entire opposition to stack your vengeance up. This was actually in a general tank specs in PvP browsing. Word is that paladin and DK tank trees arent viable in arena (though have specialist roles in BGs). Feral druids can obviously mix it up by changing forms and prot warriors are actually not too terrible due to them being incredibly irritating to play against still. They also say Ret is pants and to go holy FYI.

    I may not have paladin pvp experience. But I can read the opinions of brutal gladiators on forums.

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    Old 01-28-2011, 06:13 AM
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    Or maybe, your going to use theory craft over experiance to prove us wrong?
    I use theorycraft as a tool to improve my performance in general. You come along with anecdotal evidence that what you do is better simply because you say "it works better for you"

    Using totally anecdotal evidence to say something is right, when consumate mathematicians say that something is wrong is not only incorrect, but it also makes you look stupid too.

    Anyway I can't be bothered arguing with an incompetant troll anymore, it reduces my sanity by a little bit each time, like screwing up Brain Link on Yogg.

    Grats on rank 1 gladiator. Good day.
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