PCG Guild 25-player ICC FAQ: May 2010
1. Why does Team Donkey run over two nights?
We have a lot of work to do in order to kill the Lich King. In order to get deep into ICC in each lockout period, we need to spend more time there.
2. Can I just sign up for one night of Team Donkey? Will I be penalised for doing so?
Yes you can, and no you won’t!
3. Will I be letting my guild mates down if I can’t make it one week/one night?
NO. You should never feel under any pressure to raid in PCG. Real life is more important than raiding. Whatever else you have going on in your life, consider your responsibilities carefully. Please try whenever possible to sign up if you are coming, and un-sign if you aren’t.
4. How do I get into Team Donkey?
Sign up just like for any other Raid. If you’re good enough, and there is space for your class/role, the Raid Leader will pick you.
5. How do I know if I’m good enough?
This post by Cataclysmic is a good starting point. Please note that Raid Leaders will be more stringent in their requirements for Team Donkey, and less stringent for Team Uber. If you don’t have much experience of raiding, we run Trial of the Crusader, Ulduar and ICC-10 raids often enough that you can gain experience if you put in the time.
6. Can I switch between Team Uber and Team Donkey, and vice versa?
Yes. If you’ve been raiding with Team Donkey for a while and decide you want a break one week, you are welcome to sign for Team Uber – that team will still need a core of experienced, well-geared players to ensure success. If you have proved your worth over several weeks in Team Uber, you are welcome to sign for Team Donkey, but please do not be disheartened if you don’t get in at first. The raid leaders are likely to switch things around only if it represents a better chance at progress.
7. Can I raid with my main in Team Donkey and with an alt in Team Uber?
Yes, but priority for Team Uber spots will go to players’ main characters (provided the raid composition is otherwise acceptable). We will require everyone to be honest about their characters; anyone being dishonest can expect a suspension of raiding invites.
8. How will loot be distributed in these two raids?
We will continue to use DSK in all our 25-player ICC raids for the time being. The same list will be used; it will be synched after each raid. We are looking at alternative systems and when we find one we think is an improvement on DSK, we will test it out and let everyone know well in advance.
9. Can I sign up for Team Uber after failing to get into Team Donkey?
Absolutely. That’s why Team Uber is scheduled after Team Donkey.
10. I didn’t get into Team Donkey, and now I’m pissed off. Who do I blame?
Firstly, being a member of PCG does not give you the right to raid. No one except the raid leader is guaranteed a spot. For Team Donkey, the leaders have been given the mandate to only select the players who represent the best chance of success. For example, if you are not among the 8 most effective melee dps characters available to the raid leader on a given night, the best 8 ranged, the best 3 tanks or the best 6 healers, you should not expect to be picked, even if you missed out last week for the same reason.
Given all that, the possibility for you to make a Team Donkey spot your own is in your own hands. Sign for the 10-man teams, and Team Uber, and get to know the fights. Understand your class and spec fully. Experiment with different rotations and abilities. Try new mods. Ask other players. Team Donkey helps players who help themselves!
11. So what does my Gearscore need to be?
We don’t use Gearscore to judge whether people are any good at playing World of Warcraft.
12. But if you don’t look at my ePeen, how will you know if I’m good enough for Team Donkey?
The raid leaders do a lot of homework on the raid-capable characters in the guild. If you run in Team Uber, any of the 10-man teams, late-night raids or ToC-25, the raid leaders will learn whether you’re capable of contributing to Team Donkey. (It also helps us check out your Armory profile if you always log out in your main spec gear!)
13. If we’re setting up two 25-player raids, why not give them an equal chance of progress instead of ‘nerfing’ one in this way?
Because we don’t have six awesome tanks, 12 awesome healers, and 32 awesome dps guaranteed to be available on two given nights. The likelihood is that, in this situation, both groups would make even slower progress than we are currently. The chosen system should result in victory well before Cataclysm, at which point we can give others the chance to kill him too. The experience gained in Team Donkey will rub off on Team Uber; you may be surprised at how much fluidity there will end up being between these two raids.
14. Why not give Team Uber a second raid night?
If there is demand for it, and it wouldn’t put too much pressure on those playing in it, a second night might be considered for Team Uber. However, given that everyone capable of leading 25-player ICC raids will also want to attend Team Donkey, this is far from guaranteed.
15. So is Team Donkey all “srs bsns” and Team Uber a complete lolfest, or what?
Team Donkey will have very little tolerance for mucking about, ninja-pulling, TeamSpeak abuse and standing in fire. You can expect to be shouted at if you mess up, and you need to be able to take it on the chin, not bitch, get your head down and improve. If your behaviour is hindering our progress, you may be politely asked to leave.
Team Uber should be more relaxed, and a fun place to play with your guild mates. Be aware, though, that this is still very hard content, and if you cause a wipe by tomfoolery, you will piss people off. Have fun, but be considerate of the other 24 people who are also trying to have fun.
16. If I sign for Team Donkey (on my main), don’t get in, then sign for Team Uber (on my main), do I get priority over those who only signed for Team Uber (on their mains)?
No. There is no priority-relation between Team Donkey and Team Uber. However, if you miss out on a spot in Team Uber, having signed, due to over-subscription (of mains), and are capable of pulling your weight, you will get priority in the following week’s Team Uber.
17. What’s going to happen to the Weekly Raid Quest Raid?
We’ll still organise them, but not at the times we’ve been using recently. They’ll be on the calendar and the times may vary to give people as many options as possible.
18. If I don’t get into Team Donkey several weeks in a row, do I get priority?
Generally speaking, no. See above – the Raid Leader has complete freedom to choose whoever he wants. This may seem like elitism, but choosing the most effective players is how we’ll defeat the Lich King. If we guarantee spots based on previously missing out, we will only be hindering the guild’s progress.
19. So what happens when we kill the Lich King on 25-person?
We hope to gradually rotate other players into Team Donkey on subsequent Lich King attempts in order to spread the success around. No guarantees right now though.
20. Will we be extending lockouts in either Team Donkey or Team Uber?
This will be more likely as we progress further with both groups. It will always be at the Raid Leader’s discretion.
21. Will there be lower requirements for the first night of a new lockout in Team Donkey?
No. Moving through the Lower Spire/Plagueworks etc quickly is just as important as having a good shot at a progress boss.
22. What happens if Team Uber doesn’t have enough players (or good enough players) to make a stab at ICC-25?
We will do our best to recruit a viable raid through alts and irregular players, but we may have to look for alternatives in this scenario: 10-man attempts, ToC, Onyxia, other achievement runs. We’ll find something fun to do!
23. What about the current 10-player ICC teams?
We are shifting the guild’s focus slightly towards 25-player raiding. However, Teams Win, Awesome and Epic will be continuing with at least one raid night per week. At their leaders’ discretion, they may run two nights. Other occasional 10-player ICC raids may also take place: check your calendar.
24. I feel I am being picked on by being left out consistently. What can I do?
Tim and the rest of the officers have complete faith in the judgment and fairness of the raid leaders. However, if you feel you’re being treated unfairly you can contact Tim (Teem) or Ross (Rossferatu) in-game or via the forum and we’ll deal with the matter fairly and impartially.