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    Old 01-09-2011, 09:28 AM
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    [url]http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/825717-Priest-State-of-Discipline-4.0.6[/url] for why Disco is currently pants for raid healing, but thankfully will be much-improved very soon!
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    Old 01-09-2011, 09:34 AM
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    Seeing as all our gear comes with int as a primary stat and you can't reforge for int, that only matters when it comes to gemming.
    Or enchanting, deciding between gear upgrades, professions bonus (leatherworking for example), flasks and food.
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    Old 01-09-2011, 09:43 AM
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    [url]http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/825717-Priest-State-of-Discipline-4.0.6[/url] for why Disco is currently pants for raid healing, but thankfully will be much-improved very soon!
    This is a ridiculous comment, with no basis or argument.

    Go to World of Logs, look at Disc priest healing. They are consistently in the top ten for raid healers when they focus on using Prayer of Healing. In fact, the top healer for both 'Omnitron Defense System' and 'Nefarian' is a Discipline Priest.

    If you want to have a sensible discussion, let me know.

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    Old 01-09-2011, 11:59 AM
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    How many raids can say they have a disco priest geared to spam prayer of healing as much as these guys?

    I estimate that on Nefarion the disc priest used 1300% of his base mana on prayer of healing alone. This is based on roughly 50 casts with cost of 26% base mana and 10 free casts looking at his 356 prayer of healing heals. This is a conservative esitmate based on PoH hitting max targets.

    Have you seen anyone on our server who could sustain his prayer of healing usage alone? Not even considering all his other spells.

    This is why disc struggles. Like in Wrath it needs awesome-o gear to work.

    Oh also Disc is of MUCH greater use in 10 man raiding than 25 man as a raid healer. This is down to the lack of an uncapped aoe heal, it takes a long time to PoH a 25 man. Hence why you won't find nearly as many ranked discos in the 25 man rankings. 1 disc on Magmaw and 1 disc on Concalve of wind in the top ten on any fight in T11 on worldoflogs.
    Well, we are talking about 10 player raids, so data on 25 man is irrelevant. The very fact that some Disc priests are in there simply indicates that they can raid heal fine.

    Disc does not need 'awesome-o' gear to work. If you compare Holy and Disc 'Prayer of Healing', they are roughly similar. One does a HoT over time, one gives a shield. When you consider that the shields actually prevent damage and stack, there is not much difference in practice.

    Prayer of Healing is our most mana efficient healing spell if three or more people in a group are taking damage. Indeed, because of the way that Divine Aegis stacks, it is fine to cast it even if more that one person is taking damage. Is there a better group healing spell that I am unaware of?

    In terms of mana use, it actually makes no difference whether I cast Greater Heal on the Tank or Prayer of Healing on the group. You either have enough mana for the fight or you don't.

    I use Prayer of Healing a lot. It is my primary heal really. Power Word shield is only good for mana returns. Penance for stacking grace. Greater Healer for the tank. PoM when necessary.

    Unfortunately, most people have not taken the time to relearn Disc for Cata, so they tend to fail when they try.

    My general point - Disco can tank heal and raid heal effectively. Holy can tank heal and raid heal effectively. Well done Blizz.

    I am grateful for the Priest advice from someone who does not have a raiding priest though. :P

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    Old 01-09-2011, 01:21 PM
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    Were it not for the derisory hunter comments, I'd have left you all to it. The tone of this thread has fallen away from useful discussion towards sniping. I think it would be more helpful to other priest healers to keep the comments of discussion on point and less personal? Lest this turns into a flame war and requires locking.

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    I don't want a flame war with anyone.

    As I understood it, the point being made was that Disc priests are not very good raid healers. This is an overstatement and simply gives people the wrong perception of the class.

    I tried to give my view of why this was wrong in a reasoned and logical way. All it got was some comments about why disc priests are 'pants' and 'struggle' to raid heal.

    I would not dream of heading off to other threads and suggesting that certain classes are rubbish.

    I am somewhat hacked off that certain people in certain raid teams believe they have the monopoly on understanding this game. It annoys me even more that that they see fit to close ranks against anyone who dares challenge their wisdom.

    All this elitist bollocks never used to be a problem in the guild. It makes me sad that we have become divided into 'pros' and 'noobs'.

    Feel free to lock the thread Chewwie. This is a tool that was hardly ever used in the past. It seems that if you disagree with some people, you get your thread locked. Great.
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    Old 01-09-2011, 01:39 PM
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    I am somewhat hacked off that certain people in certain raid teams believe they have the monopoly on understanding this game. It annoys me even more that that they see fit to close ranks against anyone who dares challenge their wisdom.

    All this elitist bollocks never used to be a problem in the guild. It makes me sad that we have become divided into 'pros' and 'noobs'.
    Completely out of context and a really stupid thing to bring up. You should know better than this Spectrus.
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    Old 01-09-2011, 01:49 PM
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    Completely out of context and a really stupid thing to bring up. You should know better than this Spectrus.
    How is this out of context?

    The discussion was prompted by the fact that I dared to raid heal for Team Win, which Darieth disagreed with.

    Klog then chipped in to offer his view on why disc priests are crap raid healers.

    Then Chewwie threatens to lock the thread.

    It's the elephant in the room. If you disagree with some people in certain raid teams you get labelled a trouble maker.

    Sorry for bringing it up, but something is clearly not right here.
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    Mostly because talking about your grievences about players or raid teams isn't appropriate in a priest discussion thread, and secondly because it's not appropriate to air them in public at all. Aren't you an officer? Maybe discuss it with them in private?

    Thirdly because all they did was argue about priest stuff, and Klog even backed down when you made another post responding to him. What the hell is so wrong with that?
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    Old 01-09-2011, 02:01 PM
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    I don't want to or 'feel free' to lock the thread. Re-read my original comment - it was nothing but a warning and certainly not a threat. But, as the further comments demonstrate, the tone of the discussion and the reasoning behind the comments has strayed away from the subject of the discussion itself towards something entirely different. My motive was not to offer or threaten censorship (which IS BAD) but was an attempt to drag the discussion back on topic. However, I accept that you are entitled to see it a different way and apologise if that's how it came across.

    I'm out of this one anyway, sorry for butting in, feel free to insult each other and argue amongst yourselves some more.

    To everyone else: please remember that what is said here sometimes carries over in-game. Chill, it's really not that important.

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