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    Old 11-29-2010, 11:58 AM
    Denika Denika is offline
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    I remember you showing for my late night raids occasionally sooz, I cancelled this raid not to long ago as Cata was at the time only a month away and I admittedly felt like I needed a break from leading before the expansion. I suspect this is the case for most of the teams that are no longer running.

    I’m yet to post my plans for late night raiding in Cata, but it will be returning on Friday nights as it used to be. I won’t go into to much detail right now but my plans weren’t to steam through content hardcore style, but I will expect people to at least know basic tactics for each boss despite it being a “softcore” raid.
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    Old 11-29-2010, 03:20 PM
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    Bah. Raiding is a ton more accessible now. It used to be 40 man raid teams and MC used to take 5-6 hours when we were still all in blues. And if you left you were never invited again as the guild didn't have enough for two teams but way too many for one! Thank God Blizzard changed it. Although one 40 man would have been nice.

    Anyway. I sympathise (SCREW YOU DICTIONARY.COM) as my own job is very unpredictable. I have to work many weekends and have to do a lot of overtime just off of the cuff. I can't see how you will be able to organise raids though... If you are unable to guarentee being on at a specific time. I think you would perhaps be better off having a word and trying to see if a team can slot you in somewhere and just make sure you can make it... Maybe a Sunday evening or something? I don't know how the raiding works yet, but this guild is extremely friendly and I am sure the officers would want to make it so at least some of the time you got to join in on the big boy raids.

    I am only level 65 and new to the guild, so I might be talking bullshit but the gist I get is that it's a friendly guild with friendly people and i'm sure if you talk to the raid leaders they will slot you in somewhere <3

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    Old 11-29-2010, 04:21 PM
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    The real problem is that raiding in wotlk is, by and large, very easy (aside from heroic modes) and with our gear, we can take a few players through it. Cataclysm is going to be different however. Even Cataclysm's 5 man content is HARD - as Darieth has said, raiding at the start of an expansion is not easy, it is going to take even our hardcore raiders a fairly long time to really get the new content on farm, and to carry other people through it will take even longer.

    It's not really a question of "slotting you in" to be honest. We have three hardcore progression raid teams - Win, Awesome and last but certainly not least Epic. These teams, as you can probably see from their rosters, are already getting pretty full. It would be very unfair for the leaders to drop players who have really put in the time and effort to gear up, read tacts and learn their classes, just because someone wants to "see the content".

    We are fortunate at the moment that we are able to run people through older raids now, however that is ONLY through the execptionally hard work put in by our more hardcore raiders. We can take people right through to the Lich King in ICC now - that boss took Team Epic more than 13 hours of non stop progress wiping to kill. The same goes for Sindragosa. These fights are not easy at first, and this is probably going to be even more the case in Cataclysm.

    So yes, we do try our best, we put on ALOT more raids, and cater to ALOT more types of player in our raids than almost any other guild does. However, if you want to be "slotted" in to one the the so called "big boy" raids, you are going to need to be very patient indeed, because these "big boy" raids are going to be spending most of their time just trying to kill the bosses themselves.
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    Old 11-29-2010, 05:50 PM
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    He didn't actually ask for that. I was merely surmising. And I forgot it's all new raids coming out now, so yes it'll be a while before it's all on farm and people can be carried through.

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    Old 11-29-2010, 11:27 PM
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    thanks for the feedback, guys.

    I hope I didn't cause offence among the 'pros' by calling you zealots (I appreciate it has unfortunate connotations.

    Team Tryout didn't work for me as the team had the aspect of a tap ening left on with the plug out. I'm looking for a team that can run on teo nights per week max preferably Sunday/Monday/Wednesday or Friday. I have a 7 year old daughter and she goes to bed at 8pm so often I simply couldn't make the raid atart times. Likewise as a wage slave LNN etc was doable at weekends but not during the week. I suppose it's the schedule and the need to find a group of players who share my commitment pattern.

    PCG is a cracking guild with wonderful people and personalities. It's for that reason that I'm so keen to persist with it, however I have felt marginalised for some time and wondered if some other players shared my difficulties. I'm more than happy to learn tacs with a bunch of like-minded players and progress with them. However, I really don't want to 'drop in' on occasions with a bunch of highly experienced players having only read the tacs and then piss everyone off. This is not my idea of fun and I'm sure not anyone else's.

    Happy to lead the way on forming a group that can meet up on those nights at, say 8:45 - 10:45 two nights per week.

    Thanks for the feedback, as thoughtful as ever.
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    Old 11-30-2010, 07:48 AM
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    Feedback is great Sooz, we love getting it as it helps us keep more people entertained.
    The real underlying problem is that in a guild as big as ours, we will NEVER be able to cater to every single person's needs regarding raid times. I appreciate that you have a daughter and a job - these things must always come first, however it is also very hard for us to put on raids to suit individual people's time constraints, as just as you cannot make our more hardcore raids, neither could alot of people necessarily make your ideal raid times either. it is a difficult balance, and one that we strive to maintain - on the whole I think we do a very good job of offering a wide spread of potential raids and raiding groups for our players.

    As has been mentioned though, Akee has a good thread up for those who are interested in forming their own raiding groups, so I would suggest you peruse that, and if you get enough takers to form a raiding group at the times suitable for you, then by all means go for it.
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    Old 11-30-2010, 07:50 AM
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    Quote:
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    I’m yet to post my plans for late night raiding in Cata, but it will be returning on Friday nights as it used to be. I won’t go into to much detail right now but my plans weren’t to steam through content hardcore style, but I will expect people to at least know basic tactics for each boss despite it being a “softcore” raid.
    YAY! Deni-leader

    I mentioned something similar to Sooz in the Team Super thread that I feel I'm missing out on raiding.
    Thats not a slight on anyone else, its purley for work related reasons (stupid 2:30 in the morning starts :P) which is why I mentioned about possibly resurecting Super in some form sans Hyrath.
    I've not persued it just yet as Christmas is an abolute proverbial-storm for me, long hours, early starts etc. so i wouldnt have the time to do anything with it anyway but afterwards I may look into getting things going again.
    Obvously I'd need to chat to the guild management about it but like I said, it's on the backburner atm.

    Plus I have 3 toons to lvl up to 85 once cata hits
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    Old 11-30-2010, 02:21 PM
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    [URL="http://www.pcgamer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4399"]This is the post[/URL] mentioned by a couple of peeps.

    Poke me in game if you have any questions sooz!
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    Old 12-01-2010, 07:32 PM
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    Hi Sooz, I've just found this thread today and would like to add my views.

    I can certainly understand your position. I have family commitments which have to take precedence over any game that I might be playing. That means that although I am frequently in game a lot of the time I cannot commit to a solid three hours continuous game time. It would certainly be very unfair to expect any raid that I might be in to wait around for five or ten minutes whilst I deal with a family drama. That is not the case for the great proportion of our members. They can comfortably arrange to be online and raiding from 7:00pm onwards, which I can't. So we are stuck in a kind of limbo, desperately wanting to raid but not having the flexibility regarding our time to fit in with everyone else.

    The real problem then arises for those of us who are not "time rich". None of us have the same schedule so can't raid together. I can't commit to three hours solid game time until after 10:30pm, Sunday to Thursday. So that doesn't help you as I can't make your schedule, and it doesn't help me as you can't make mine. Hopefully you get my point. The original Late Night Raid team suited me down to the ground, but since the main raid moved to Friday that is now beyond me too.

    I can offer two solutions for you:

    1) You can try to organise your time so that once or twice a week you create "me time" to allow you to join an organised raid and when the family understands that you are not going to want to be disturbed. That needs a cooperative partner, something I don't have as my "me time" is Friday evening in the pub

    2) You try and find 9 others who want to raid at the same time as you. If you look at [URL="http://www.pcgamer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4477"]Antonius' Census[/URL] you will notice that we have 631 characters spread over two guilds. A good proportion of those are level 80 (another project for Antonius perhaps - ordering membership by level). If you look at the threads for the three main progression teams they are restricting membership to about 25 to 30 regulars. That takes care of only 90 characters or so. Therefore there will be a lot of people with main characters or major alts that are looking for a raid to join. Why not make it your raid team they want to join up to

    With the new content coming in Cata everyone starts from new. Even those with ICC25 gear now will be in the same position. So now is the time to plan a new raid team for the time that suits you. Akee's post is the best place to start if that's what you decide to do. If you want any help let me know.
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    Old 12-02-2010, 07:08 AM
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    Firstly, I have never thought of Bigsooz as "softcore"! (that is a compliment dear)

    Secondly, raiding, even though "easier" these days than what it was to organise in the past, does still require an awful lot of prep and time for players and esp leaders. I would hope though, that in a guild of this size, you can find some like minded ppl who can fit your schedules, and join you. But you may indeed struggle for the many reasons already posted here.

    Thirdly, the guild does seem a bit two tier at times, with those who raid "hardcore" and those who don't. But as someone who doesn't raid because of scheduling and the sheer grief involved at times, I wish all those who do well, and those who don't, good luck and may you get many shiney trinkets etc!
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