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    Old 11-17-2012, 11:11 PM
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    Which would mean that there is a universe where an interdimensional omnipotent being is created.
    Congratulations, you have just proved god!
    thing is it is possible, but then there would also be a universe where nothing ever happened as the big bang never happened.

    multiple universe theory is like looking for life in the the universe, with a near infinite amount of stars and planets life could just happen by accident and it could happen several times so in one of these universes someone could of found a way to make them self god, if you have enough possibilities pretty much anything can happen.
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    Which would mean that there is a universe where an interdimensional omnipotent being is created.
    Congratulations, you have just proved god!
    Wouldn't the implication there then be that there are multiple gods since there would be multiple universes? It amuses me to think that every time I went back in time and killed me an ancestor I'd be birthing new deities.
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    Wouldn't the implication there then be that there are multiple gods since there would be multiple universes?
    it would depend how many universes had the outcome of making a god or someone becoming god.
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    it would depend how many universes had the outcome of making a god or someone becoming god.
    There can be only one.
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    There can be only one.
    wonder if that's where they got the idea for highlander.
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    Fascinating thread. Especially the observation on god- though a common misconception around the multiple universe theory is that anything can happen. This isn't strictly true, the other multiviversrs are bound by the same physical laws as we are (otherwise they are not multiverses, but dimensions), therefore if something is impossible here, it's still impossible here.

    Think of a deck of cards, you can shuffle them to make any combination of hands possible- but your not goin to deal a carrot...

    There, I've just proven gods a carrot. Your move JR :-)
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    Old 11-18-2012, 10:23 AM
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    Fascinating thread. Especially the observation on god- though a common misconception around the multiple universe theory is that anything can happen. This isn't strictly true, the other multiviversrs are bound by the same physical laws as we are (otherwise they are not multiverses, but dimensions), therefore if something is impossible here, it's still impossible here.

    Think of a deck of cards, you can shuffle them to make any combination of hands possible- but your not goin to deal a carrot...

    There, I've just proven gods a carrot. Your move JR :-)
    Except that (depending on the theories you subscribe to) everything is possible here (including dealing that carrot) just very*10^999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999 unlikely.
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    Old 11-18-2012, 10:31 AM
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    Fascinating thread. Especially the observation on god- though a common misconception around the multiple universe theory is that anything can happen. This isn't strictly true, the other multiviversrs are bound by the same physical laws as we are (otherwise they are not multiverses, but dimensions), therefore if something is impossible here, it's still impossible here.

    Think of a deck of cards, you can shuffle them to make any combination of hands possible- but your not goin to deal a carrot...

    There, I've just proven gods a carrot. Your move JR :-)
    quantum theory basically says our physics is bollocks and pretty much anything is possible, so until we full understand physics you can never rule anything out. this is before you count in thing like anti matter that totally go against our physics.

    just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it can happen, we still know next to nothing about physics so there is still a lot undiscovered or that could be proven wrong.
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    If we could see people/aliens/things that have traveled back in time would we not be seeing them now? This kind of suggests that we will never harness the ability to travel back in time.

    It is possible to travel into the future though. If you went on a train at near the speed of light and stepped off at the end of your journey you would find that time appears to have jumped forwards for everyone else compared to what you experienced. This is due to time dilation from special relativity.


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    quantum theory basically says our physics is bollocks and pretty much anything is possible,
    Classical physics may not be technically correct but on the scales that human beings live in it allows us to predict stuff very well. Science is about making observations creating models from these observations. If said models can predict what well happen in the future then the model is kept. It doesn't mean that the model is describing exactly what is happening but it is the best we have. Thermodynamics treats atoms to be tiny little classical balls which we know not to be true but the laws of thermodynamics are still used and were vital in allowing the industrial revolution to happen.

    All of our models are probably not strictly true but are we ever going to be able to find the absolute truth? How would we know?
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    The point I'm trying to make is that everything IS NOT possible. There are physical limitations (whether we understand them all or not- conservation of energy is a BIG hurdle for that) no matter what the rules end up to be.

    It's nice to speculate, but the multiverse doesn't make god anymore likely. You can't use a negative to prove a positive, or to put it another way absence of proof against can not be used as proof for.

    I still think gods a carrot.

    And he's beaten by four of a kind.
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