Originally Posted by TheXand
There's no denying the British Empire did do some nasty things, but given that it was the biggest and wealthiest empire on Earth what little unpleasantry it did do pales in comparison.
Not to mention there wasn't any genocide committed by the British Empire at all. The Irish Potato Famine was an unfortunate affair but it wasn't intentional. The British could hardly be blamed for Irish landlords living in London telling the government that everything was fine back in Ireland.
It's unsurprising that Winston Churchill threatened to invade the Republic of Ireland in WW2 since it held such strong Nazi sympathies and gave them aid.
The class system wasn't so enforced as in India, given that there was a great deal of social mobility at the time due to the expanding middle class and the Industrial Revolution.
Equality and liberty are intrinsic to what the British Empire gave the world. Without us, slavery would have been prevalent globally and anti-slavery sentiment would never have seen a rise in popularity. Britain also has the oldest continuous democracy on Earth.
It's a constitutional monarchy. They're basically glorified celebrities that perform diplomatic functions.
Irish Nazi sympathy is a myth propogated by the British in response to the IRA. Indeed many Irish joined the British army to fight the Nazi's. Whilst I am certain that there will have been some Irishmen with Nazi sympathys, in the way that Oswald Mosley in England did. there is no evidence of any aid being given to the Nazis by the Irish government.
Why the fuck would the Irish have fought off one racist (The supremacy of the Englishman was a widely held regard in the British government at the time),uncaring self obsessed overseas government only to replace it with another one?
Its a complete fallacy.
During the great famine Ireland was considered part of the home nation, and the government did not care enough to stop their own people from starving to death. The Nazis tried to wipe out the Jews because they hated them. The English simply didn't care enough to stop a famine wiping out the Irish.
I am not sure which is worse (and I reiterate, Ireland was a net exporter of food at the height of the famine.)
Claiming that the class system wasn't as bad as the caste system is similar to claiming that the american genocide of the natives was alright because it wasn't as bad as the holocaust.
And I am sure you realise that.
Social mobility did not increase until after the fall of the Empire.
I reiterate, Liberty and equality were never intrinsic British values, unless you mean intrinsic amoung themselves.. Yes, Britian did stop the slave trade, and should be granted credit for that.
But do you honestly think that if the British hadn't, that some other nation would not have done so?
And, "Oldest continuous democracy"? Did you miss the part about people not being able to vote in Northern Ireland until the 1970's? Britian has had democracy for a little over 40 years.
( Edit: the government were well aware of the severity of the famine in Ireland. They simply didn't care).