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    Old 11-29-2012, 10:17 PM
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    ''dick measuring contest between the two most paranoid and aggressive nations on earth'' . . . . . . . . . . . that sir is the most genius line I have ever read
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    Abolished slavery after getting rich from slavery. Brought peace after brutal invasions and suppression of any and all attempts to regain freedom. Brought science, progress and civilization to countries that had been building breath-takingly beautiful and complex marble palaces for centuries. Forced upon the world an industrial system of slavery in factories owned by the rich which they never asked for whereas life before had been one of farming your own private, pollution-free land. Modern medicine which the Germans invented, modern schools of thought - providing that thought was utter submission to a foreign people for the enrichment of a tiny handful who cared only about wealth and power. Sacrificed the lives of hundreds of thousands of young men fighting to stop that land they had stolen from being pillaged by anybody but the British royal family. Faced nuclear obliteration by getting involved in a dick-measuring contest between the two most paranoid and aggressive nations on earth.

    Shove your opinions, right up where the sun never sets (or shines either).

    And stop looking upon things you had nothing to do with with pride. You can't have pride in something you did not achieve, and you didn't achieve it.
    Without the British there would still be slavery. It was because of us that anti-slavery sentiment became so popular. In fact, it was British anti-slavery sentiment that riled up the Americans so much since they miscontrued it as the British telling them what to do with their chattel. Had they remained in the Empire their slaves would have been freed a century earlier.

    Those nations we subdued were violent and genocidal in the extreme before we brought them under our influence, and they were not anywhere near as advanced as the British, either technologically or socially. Slavery was a key staple of their societies, and was one of the reasons we never abolished it sooner, for fear of upsetting them. Just look at the caste system of India. We bent over backwards keeping the natives happy yet still they had a tendency to genocide.

    Modern medicine was given to the world by Scottish labours, as well as the modern school of thought. Industrialisation too was kickstarted by the Scots.

    Not to mention the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of British men during both world wars. Though perhaps you think perhaps the German or Japanese empires would have been better than the British?

    So essentially, all the things you hold dear in this world, equality, liberty etc you owe to the British Empire. So, you're very welcome.

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    Old 11-29-2012, 10:32 PM
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    Without the British there would still be slavery. It was because of us that anti-slavery sentiment became so popular. In fact, it was British anti-slavery sentiment that riled up the Americans so much since they miscontrued it as the British telling them what to do with their chattel. Had they remained in the Empire their slaves would have been freed a century earlier.

    Those nations we subdued were violent and genocidal in the extreme before we brought them under our influence, and they were not anywhere near as advanced as the British, either technologically or socially. Slavery was a key staple of their societies, and was one of the reasons we never abolished it sooner, for fear of upsetting them. Just look at the caste system of India. We bent over backwards keeping the natives happy yet still they had a tendency to genocide.

    Modern medicine was given to the world by Scottish labours, as well as the modern school of thought. Industrialisation too was kickstarted by the Scots.

    Not to mention the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of British men during both world wars. Though perhaps you think perhaps the German or Japanese empires would have been better than the British?

    So essentially, all the things you hold dear in this world, equality, liberty etc you owe to the British Empire. So, you're very welcome.
    In WW1 the Japanese were on the side of the allies.
    Germany, during WW1 were not the embodyment of evil that the Nazi party were in WW2. And during WW2, Winston Churchill threatened to invade the neutral Irish Free State.
    Britain, specifically the English, attempted cultural genocide in Scotland, Ireland and Wales.
    At the height of the Irish Potato Famine, Ireland was a net exporter of food. The chap put in charge of alleviating the famine, one Charles Trevellyan, went on record as claiming that if the Irish were provided with food, then they would just come to expect it and it was better for them to starve.
    In Northern Ireland, "One Man One Vote" did not exist until the 1970's, long after the sun had set on the British Empire.
    The Boer War occured because the British Government were too scared to tell Queen Victoria that one of her generals was a fuckwit.
    During the entirety of the British Empire, they had a class system, which was not too dissimilar to the caste system of India.
    So whilst the British Empire can be applauded for many things. Medicine. Law. Engineering. The two things that you categorically cannot give them credit for are equality and liberty.
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    So essentially, all the things you hold dear in this world, equality, liberty etc you owe to the British Empire. So, you're very welcome.
    You'll have to give me time to formulate a reply. I'm going to be laughing at the idea of "equality" in Britain - a country that still maintains A FUCKING MONARCHY! - until at least the early morning.
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    In WW1 the Japanese were on the side of the allies.
    Germany, during WW1 were not the embodyment of evil that the Nazi party were in WW2. And during WW2, Winston Churchill threatened to invade the neutral Irish Free State.
    Britain, specifically the English, attempted cultural genocide in Scotland, Ireland and Wales.
    At the height of the Irish Potato Famine, Ireland was a net exporter of food. The chap put in charge of alleviating the famine, one Charles Trevellyan, went on record as claiming that if the Irish were provided with food, then they would just come to expect it and it was better for them to starve.
    In Northern Ireland, "One Man One Vote" did not exist until the 1970's, long after the sun had set on the British Empire.
    The Boer War occured because the British Government were too scared to tell Queen Victoria that one of her generals was a fuckwit.
    During the entirety of the British Empire, they had a class system, which was not too dissimilar to the caste system of India.
    So whilst the British Empire can be applauded for many things. Medicine. Law. Engineering. The two things that you categorically cannot give them credit for are equality and liberty.
    There's no denying the British Empire did do some nasty things, but given that it was the biggest and wealthiest empire on Earth what little unpleasantry it did do pales in comparison.

    Not to mention there wasn't any genocide committed by the British Empire at all. The Irish Potato Famine was an unfortunate affair but it wasn't intentional. The British could hardly be blamed for Irish landlords living in London telling the government that everything was fine back in Ireland.

    It's unsurprising that Winston Churchill threatened to invade the Republic of Ireland in WW2 since it held such strong Nazi sympathies and gave them aid.

    The class system wasn't so enforced as in India, given that there was a great deal of social mobility at the time due to the expanding middle class and the Industrial Revolution.

    Equality and liberty are intrinsic to what the British Empire gave the world. Without us, slavery would have been prevalent globally and anti-slavery sentiment would never have seen a rise in popularity. Britain also has the oldest continuous democracy on Earth.
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    You'll have to give me time to formulate a reply. I'm going to be laughing at the idea of "equality" in Britain - a country that still maintains A FUCKING MONARCHY! - until at least the early morning.
    It's a constitutional monarchy. They're basically glorified celebrities that perform diplomatic functions.
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    the British Empire was a corporate thing, it's sole purpose was to make hideous amounts of money for a small number of people and nobody cared how it was done, whilst we were freeing the slaves we were also getting the chinese hooked on smack.

    it was neither a good or bad thing, simply business as usual.
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    There's no denying the British Empire did do some nasty things, but given that it was the biggest and wealthiest empire on Earth what little unpleasantry it did do pales in comparison.

    Not to mention there wasn't any genocide committed by the British Empire at all. The Irish Potato Famine was an unfortunate affair but it wasn't intentional. The British could hardly be blamed for Irish landlords living in London telling the government that everything was fine back in Ireland.

    It's unsurprising that Winston Churchill threatened to invade the Republic of Ireland in WW2 since it held such strong Nazi sympathies and gave them aid.

    The class system wasn't so enforced as in India, given that there was a great deal of social mobility at the time due to the expanding middle class and the Industrial Revolution.

    Equality and liberty are intrinsic to what the British Empire gave the world. Without us, slavery would have been prevalent globally and anti-slavery sentiment would never have seen a rise in popularity. Britain also has the oldest continuous democracy on Earth.


    It's a constitutional monarchy. They're basically glorified celebrities that perform diplomatic functions.
    Irish Nazi sympathy is a myth propogated by the British in response to the IRA. Indeed many Irish joined the British army to fight the Nazi's. Whilst I am certain that there will have been some Irishmen with Nazi sympathys, in the way that Oswald Mosley in England did. there is no evidence of any aid being given to the Nazis by the Irish government.
    Why the fuck would the Irish have fought off one racist (The supremacy of the Englishman was a widely held regard in the British government at the time),uncaring self obsessed overseas government only to replace it with another one?
    Its a complete fallacy.
    During the great famine Ireland was considered part of the home nation, and the government did not care enough to stop their own people from starving to death. The Nazis tried to wipe out the Jews because they hated them. The English simply didn't care enough to stop a famine wiping out the Irish.
    I am not sure which is worse (and I reiterate, Ireland was a net exporter of food at the height of the famine.)
    Claiming that the class system wasn't as bad as the caste system is similar to claiming that the american genocide of the natives was alright because it wasn't as bad as the holocaust.
    And I am sure you realise that.
    Social mobility did not increase until after the fall of the Empire.
    I reiterate, Liberty and equality were never intrinsic British values, unless you mean intrinsic amoung themselves.. Yes, Britian did stop the slave trade, and should be granted credit for that.
    But do you honestly think that if the British hadn't, that some other nation would not have done so?
    And, "Oldest continuous democracy"? Did you miss the part about people not being able to vote in Northern Ireland until the 1970's? Britian has had democracy for a little over 40 years.

    ( Edit: the government were well aware of the severity of the famine in Ireland. They simply didn't care).

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    You'll have to give me time to formulate a reply. I'm going to be laughing at the idea of "equality" in Britain - a country that still maintains A FUCKING MONARCHY! - until at least the early morning.
    the monarchy is just a figurehead they have no real power, but really if we abolish the monarchy it doesn't just affect our country, multiple countries round the world are still linked to the british monarchy. so are these other 15 countries also as stupid?

    it's not as if she still has total power and can just do what she wants, she is told what to do and acts as a figure head to oversee parliment to replace the dictatorship setup by cromwell, so would you of rathered the dictatorship (to replace the monarchy because it was a dictatorship) had stayed or the monarchy was there just as a figurehead to oversee parliment as it is now?
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    They could probably make a really good episode of Doctor Who about the potato famine that struck Scotland and Ireland.
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    They could probably make a really good episode of Doctor Who about the potato famine that struck Scotland and Ireland.
    But they won't because British media continues to gloss over this appauling event in their history.
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