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    Old 11-23-2012, 09:34 AM
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    If the BBC covers this, expect them to fabricate stories about Jewish atrocities against Martians.
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    You're forgetting the timescales involved here mate, the probability of anything, no matter how unlikely rapidly approaches '1' the more time passes. Put in billions of years..... i see life (with the right mixtures present) as a certainty, not a probability.

    Once the building blocks are there life will form, it's just a matter of time. It only takes one amino acid to form for it all to kick off.


    As for life in the solar system- europa is a pretty good bet. lots of energy (hydrothermal vents), a protective barrier (ice) and liquid (water). I'd bet good money that there's life there. At least up to crustacean level.
    Not to mention a lot of radiation received from Jupiter.
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    wait, what?
    Here is some info from wiki

    The “mystery” that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. Temple did not argue that the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B was by contact with an advanced civilization; he considered alternative possibilities, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumeria. He personally found the theory of alien contact more convincing, but he did not claim certainty about it.

    Maybe credible was the wrong word to describe it. Maybe not impossible is better

    I still like the idea though that we have been visited
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    people have always claimed aliens when they don't understand something (like a lot of older buildings that we couldn't make today) it's just a case of we got lazy because of the tech we have, hell just look at your parents/grandparents they will use manual tools to do pretty much anything, yet most younger people now couldn't manage to do half of this without electric/air tools.

    just because we lost the ability to do something that should be basic doesn't mean it was aliens, as for space stuff it's only assumed that half these drawings are stuff we find much further way it could be something totally different, it's just like the vikings thought the total eclipse was a giant wolf eating the sun and they had to shout at it to make it go away. so what is depicted in drawings could just be any random bollocks as we don't know the reference.
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    it's just like the vikings thought the total eclipse was a giant wolf eating the sun and they had to shout at it to make it go away. so what is depicted in drawings could just be any random bollocks as we don't know the reference.
    That is not quite the same as knowing that the star Sirius is actually a binary star system.

    I know what you getting at and there are other possibilities but alien contact is still one of the possibilities and should not just be unscientifically ignored just because it is hard to believe.





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    If the BBC covers this, expect them to fabricate stories about Jewish atrocities against Martians.
    What?
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    If there is life on other planets then it's quite possible that there are lifeforms that've surpassed us in technology and able to travel across space spreading knowledge and helping other lifeforms evolve quicker.
    I don't get why most people would rather believe in ghosts or angels, but mention "aliens from outer space" to them and they start making fun of you.
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    If there is life on other planets then it's quite possible that there are lifeforms that've surpassed us in technology and able to travel across space spreading knowledge and helping other lifeforms evolve quicker.
    I don't get why most people would rather believe in ghosts or angels, but mention "aliens from outer space" to them and they start making fun of you.
    Exactly. If we ever mastered deep space travel and discovered advanced life forms then we would defiantly tinker with it. I mean we do it already with life on Earth.

    Another possibility is that as a species becomes so technologically advanced and it can master realistic simulation then they may well just decide to live in their make believe world which is much better than the current one, rather than explore the universe. Basically the high tech equivalent of saying "sod outside I'm going to stay in and play computer games"
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    Well there's actually a school of thought along those lines- any suitably technologically advanced society will develop computer models. Eventually they'll develop models that are sophisticated enough to model the entire universe and will be indistinguishable from realit for those within it.

    On e they can run one they'll be able to run hundreds to evaluate different scenarios. Therefore, if these models are possible, which it seems likely, then it is far more likely that we are actually living within a model than the real universe....
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    Well there's actually a school of thought along those lines- any suitably technologically advanced society will develop computer models. Eventually they'll develop models that are sophisticated enough to model the entire universe and will be indistinguishable from realit for those within it.

    On e they can run one they'll be able to run hundreds to evaluate different scenarios. Therefore, if these models are possible, which it seems likely, then it is far more likely that we are actually living within a model than the real universe....
    So.... um.... are you saying... Bigfoot real?!
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    So.... um.... are you saying... Bigfoot real?!
    he's just an easter egg.
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