Go Back   PC Gamer Forums > Tech

    Reply
     
    Thread Tools Display Modes
      #21   Report Post  
    Old 04-16-2012, 08:22 PM
    American_Freedom American_Freedom is offline
    Banned
     
    Join Date: Sep 2010
    Posts: 1,198
    Default

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Belimawr View Post
    If you say the 590 is the top nvidia where is the top AMD card as last I checked the dual gpu 7000 series isn't out so why are AMD holding their top end card back and only releasing mid range?
    The 7900 series chips ARE AMD's top range silicon.

    With Nvidia, they are pushing the notion that the 680 are high quality components, but actually just mid ranged chips. It would be like AMD releasing the 7750 at 800 dollars price range. it seems kind of odd when you know that they have to fill the next two series , the 78xx and 79xx with product.

    I'm finding the pricing a bit weird between the 2 card makers. I guess we can only wait for more information on why TSMC is having trouble withthe 28nn chips. With the shortage of product for Nvidia, it would seem it is their design that is making things hard, even though that design IS out performing AMD. IS that a good risk to take, have a great design but high rate of failure in production ?
    Reply With Quote
      #22   Report Post  
    Old 04-16-2012, 08:24 PM
    American_Freedom American_Freedom is offline
    Banned
     
    Join Date: Sep 2010
    Posts: 1,198
    Default

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Graydon View Post
    AMD has just announced a price drop bringing the 7970 down from 550 to the new price of 480. The price war begins!
    Now, how can Nvidia match that when we've yet to see or read anything on there low end and high end stuff ?! Love this , it is very exciting to watch the manufactures duel
    Reply With Quote
      #23   Report Post  
    Old 04-16-2012, 08:35 PM
    Belimawr Belimawr is offline
    Senior Member
     
    Join Date: Jun 2010
    Posts: 14,623
    Default

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by American_Freedom View Post
    The 7900 series chips ARE AMD's top range silicon.

    With Nvidia, they are pushing the notion that the 680 are high quality components, but actually just mid ranged chips. It would be like AMD releasing the 7750 at 800 dollars price range. it seems kind of odd when you know that they have to fill the next two series , the 78xx and 79xx with product.

    I'm finding the pricing a bit weird between the 2 card makers. I guess we can only wait for more information on why TSMC is having trouble withthe 28nn chips. With the shortage of product for Nvidia, it would seem it is their design that is making things hard, even though that design IS out performing AMD. IS that a good risk to take, have a great design but high rate of failure in production ?
    considering the benchmarks would say the GTX680 beats the 7970 how do you class the GTX680 as midrange? as that would mean the 7970 is technically lower quality than the GTX680 making it lower mid range.

    as for a higher failure rate in production you are calling Nvidia for scraping bad chips, but had no problem with AMD shipping bad chips as lower models? to me I would be more worried about the firm selling me a chip that failed testing, by re branding it and/or cutting of sections of the chip, to save on lost production costs, technically selling an inferior and faulty product as if it is a 100% tested and working chip.

    but really on new tech the fail rate always goes through the roof, when bluray first came out the fail rate was close to 50%, the cell CPU chips came out (they were used in a lot more than just the PS3) the failure rate was about 80%, now both are near 100% success rate, it's just the way new production works.
    Reply With Quote
      #24   Report Post  
    Old 04-16-2012, 08:48 PM
    American_Freedom American_Freedom is offline
    Banned
     
    Join Date: Sep 2010
    Posts: 1,198
    Default

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Belimawr View Post
    considering the benchmarks would say the GTX680 beats the 7970 how do you class the GTX680 as midrange? as that would mean the 7970 is technically lower quality than the GTX680 making it lower mid range.

    as for a higher failure rate in production you are calling Nvidia for scraping bad chips, but had no problem with AMD shipping bad chips as lower models? to me I would be more worried about the firm selling me a chip that failed testing, by re branding it and/or cutting of sections of the chip, to save on lost production costs, technically selling an inferior and faulty product as if it is a 100% tested and working chip.

    but really on new tech the fail rate always goes through the roof, when bluray first came out the fail rate was close to 50%, the cell CPU chips came out (they were used in a lot more than just the PS3) the failure rate was about 80%, now both are near 100% success rate, it's just the way new production works.
    I doubt you will find anyone who will deny the Nvidia 680 performance is anything but great.
    AMD do cut their chips if there is enough to salvage, but they do so in that particular cards silicon range.

    Will I ever look at data from a website and say ., it is better, not really cause every test is engineered for one side or the other. AMD simply has never marketed their products through adverts, websites and or tv commercials. Hopefully that will change with the new AMD CEO. Yes Amd runs web ads, but they don't create a bunch of fictitious websites to make there product run better then the competition.

    I trust one site that i really dont trust, and that is guru3d. I've used him for decades, and they always been up 3dfx butt , so I take his data with a grain of salt.

    I'm looking forward to this summer to see what happens in the video market
    Reply With Quote
    Reply

    Thread Tools
    Display Modes

    Posting Rules
    You may not post new threads
    You may not post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is Off

    Forum Jump