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    Old 02-04-2013, 07:01 PM
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    Default And the most pointless news story of the day goes to...

    [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21316768[/url][URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21316768"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21316768[/URL]

    Police using the IDs of people that had died in early childhood a couple of decades prior, as a background for undercover agents. On the local news on TV the Met police officials were going on about how remorseful they all were and how it should never have happened. And then there was some other guy saying how terrible they must be, and how the practice is completely out of proportion to the task they had to do.

    Is it just me that doesn't see any problem at all with this? I can't see that it's affecting anyone, and who's to say that it's in-proportionate to their task when their task may be to infiltrate terrorist or criminal groups. There was one ex-undercover cop who was saying that by taking on the identity of a dead person you "become" them, and that is wrong. But seeing as they died when they were four and the undercover agent will never have met them the personality they assume will be just as fabricated as a completely false identity. The only difference is that the birth records will be more convincing. Is the Met trying to outdo the BBC to see who can be the most self-depreciating?

    Seems a load of hooey to me, am I missing something?
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    Old 02-04-2013, 07:10 PM
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    You wouldn't be happy if someone was using your long relatives name.

    Besides, who decides the line between Identify Theft?
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    Old 02-04-2013, 08:07 PM
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    You wouldn't be happy if someone was using your long relatives name.
    I honestly don't think I'd mind in the slightest. Appropriating a name and a birth-date isn't equivalent to stealing their life experiences or anything. Besides, there's zero chance of me ever finding out.
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    Old 02-04-2013, 07:11 PM
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    Unfortunately, parents are stupid.
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    Old 02-04-2013, 07:53 PM
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    Unfortunately, parents are stupid.
    For having an overpowering instinct to protect their children? That is kind of what being human is.
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    Old 02-04-2013, 08:44 PM
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    For having an overpowering instinct to protect their children? That is kind of what being human is.
    Exactly. You said it yourself OVERPOWERING. Rendering logic and common sense irrelevent.
    These children are dead. They have been dead for a long time. Utilising these identities has no effect on that one way or the other (if anything, it gives their short and tragic lives meaning).
    Cold.
    Yes.
    Clinical.
    Clearly.
    Does it have any bearing on the short lives of the departed.
    Not in the slightest.
    Watch this space. I smell a compensation claim in the making.
    And yes, parents are stupid (sorry Spats). I've seen parents chastise another parent for doing the very thing that they themselves expect for their own children. Every time I encounter anyone say "As a parent" I immediately think less of them, because they are basically claiming that a parents view is more important than anyone elses. Well Fred West was a parent. Shannon Matthews had a Mum. Do the views of either of these people have greater impact than someone who has no children?
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    Old 02-04-2013, 10:12 PM
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    I'm not sure I agree. Yes it may be more societally useful for the police to do this, but I still think it's wrong (not fire and brimstone wrong - and possibly not amazingly newsworthy, but just not correct).

    I'm not expecting to win anyone who disagrees over, just stating an opinion.

    Also I think the term "common sense" is bandied about way too much. And I find it nearly as annoying as the sensationalism in writing that Dayve is talking about. "Slams" is a good example When people retort they always "slam" someone. Or "Blasts" for the same thing. It makes it sound a lot more hostile than it actually is.
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    I'm not sure I agree. Yes it may be more societally useful for the police to do this, but I still think it's wrong (not fire and brimstone wrong - and possibly not amazingly newsworthy, but just not correct).

    I'm not expecting to win anyone who disagrees over, just stating an opinion.

    Also I think the term "common sense" is bandied about way too much. And I find it nearly as annoying as the sensationalism in writing that Dayve is talking about. "Slams" is a good example When people retort they always "slam" someone. Or "Blasts" for the same thing. It makes it sound a lot more hostile than it actually is.
    I don't think common sense is taken into account enough.
    Though I blame the Daily Mail mentality of promoting ignorance accounts for it (I.e " The NHS never told me that if I took the 24 pills they gave me all at once, it would be bad. Yes they did tell me to take one ever 4 hours but they didn't tell me that if I took all of them at the same time it would be bad.
    Surely the tablets should know to only work every four hours?)
    It really does make you doubt Darwin.
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    Is it just me that doesn't see any problem at all with this? I can't see that it's affecting anyone, and who's to say that it's in-proportionate to their task when their task may be to infiltrate terrorist or criminal groups.
    Or absolutely anyone else the state or police didn't like.
    It would make for fun reading if someone were to look up the family tree later on in life.
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    [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21316768[/url][URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21316768"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21316768[/URL]

    Police using the IDs of people that had died in early childhood a couple of decades prior, as a background for undercover agents. On the local news on TV the Met police officials were going on about how remorseful they all were and how it should never have happened. And then there was some other guy saying how terrible they must be, and how the practice is completely out of proportion to the task they had to do.

    Is it just me that doesn't see any problem at all with this? I can't see that it's affecting anyone, and who's to say that it's in-proportionate to their task when their task may be to infiltrate terrorist or criminal groups. There was one ex-undercover cop who was saying that by taking on the identity of a dead person you "become" them, and that is wrong. But seeing as they died when they were four and the undercover agent will never have met them the personality they assume will be just as fabricated as a completely false identity. The only difference is that the birth records will be more convincing. Is the Met trying to outdo the BBC to see who can be the most self-depreciating?

    Seems a load of hooey to me, am I missing something?
    No, I see no problem with it either. The media has to fill their pages up with one thing or another and if there's nothing sensational to print that day they'll dress something thoroughly mundane up as sensational and shove it in your face. You can tell when they're doing it because they use phrases like "Suchandsuch provoked OUTRAGE today" or "Provoked FURY today when...".

    By "provoked fury" what they actually mean is 2 old women (church-going types who are very easily offended) complained.
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