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    View Poll Results: How would you reform the House of Lords, if at all?
    Keep it as it is. 2 13.33%
    Population Based Popular Vote 1 6.67%
    Area/Region Based 0 0%
    Devolution Based (US Senate style) 0 0%
    Civil Servant Based (French Senate style) 0 0%
    Industry / Business Based (Bavarian Senate style) 2 13.33%
    Religion Based 2 13.33%
    Direct Democracy 1 6.67%
    Other Reforms (state in reply) 2 13.33%
    Completely Abolish It & Don't Replace It 5 33.33%
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    Old 11-11-2012, 02:28 AM
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    The House of Lords is the upper house of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. Unlike the House of Commons, which is directly elected by the people, members of the House of Lords are chosen through a system of peerage.

    Some argue that the House of Lords is outdated and that the House of Lords needs to be reformed. Another possible problem is that the House of Lords has significantly lost much of it's power over the past 100+ years and it's decisions can be overridden by the House of Commons. What reforms, if any, would you propose to change the House of Lords?

    Here are some explanations for the options I included in the poll:
    Keep it as it is.
    This would keep the House of Lords exactly as it is.

    Population Based Popular Vote
    Lords would be elected through a popular vote. Much like MPs, lords would be represent constituencies based on population.

    Area/Region Based
    Lords would represent pre-determined areas, regardless of population. For instance, each county (or county-equivelant) would have a Lord that represents the county.

    Devolution Based
    Each of the devolved countries (England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales) would receive a per-determined equal number of lords (say, five for each country; twenty total). These twenty Lords would represent the interests of the constituent countries and their respective governments. This would be similar to how many federations operate their upper houses, including the United States.

    Civil Servant Based
    Direct elections would be held to elect lords, however the only people who can vote in this election are people who work for the government (police officers, teachers, firefighters, NHS personnel, etc.). This would be similar to how France operates it's upper house; as well as how the former Kingdom of Laos held it's parliamentary elections in 1965

    Industry / Business Based
    Lords would not be directly elected, instead they would represent the interests of various social, economic, professional, local, and other such groups. This would be similar to how the Slovenian National Council and the former Bavarian Senate operated.

    Religion Based
    Lords will be religious officials and represent their religion and/or church/mosque/etc.

    Direct Democracy
    Instead of having an upper house in the traditional sense, the House of Lords would be replaced with a system of direct democracy. Every British citizen would act as a lord and can vote on bills proposed by the House of Commons and possibly even propose legislature themselves, if enough people support it. However, the House of Commons will continue to exist to prevent mob rule and the many problems that could occur in a pure direct democracy. This can be created through a number of means, from citizens voting through the internet or merely going to their polling station to vote on bills (similar to a referendum).

    Other Reforms
    This is entirely up to you, please post your ideas here.

    Completely Abolish It & Don't Replace It
    This would effectively turn the United Kingdom into a unicameral country and completely abolish bicameralism.
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    Old 11-11-2012, 01:16 PM
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    Keep it or scrap it entirely. The checking for sanity purpose is done pretty well by it, although it isn't necessary. Reforms would be expensive and a waste of time.
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    Old 11-11-2012, 01:35 PM
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    yep it's a waste a space and just another remnant left over from when the monarchy ran the country.
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    Scrap it entirely since it's completely undemocratic and I dislike those poncy tossers.
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    Scrap it entirely since it's completely undemocratic and I dislike those poncy tossers.
    Those poncy tossers? The poncy tossers are in the green seats. At least many peers in the House of Lords are people have done a great deal and have been successful doing so and the politicians in the HoL are those who have lead distinguished careers. Although I will admit there are far too many labour peers :P

    *Took 6 attempts to write this, the fifth and sixth attempts were database errors on the edits, oh the irony. Are they even trying to fix the database errors anymore?
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    Whilst imperfect the Lords does serve a purpose as a second look at decisions. The pro abolition lobbby is generally those who have just had a decision overturned by said Lords.
    Reform would indeed be costly so I say continue and monitor foro ways to improve in the future.
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    Those poncy tossers? The poncy tossers are in the green seats. At least many peers in the House of Lords are people have done a great deal and have been successful doing so and the politicians in the HoL are those who have lead distinguished careers. Although I will admit there are far too many labour peers :P

    *Took 6 attempts to write this, the fifth and sixth attempts were database errors on the edits, oh the irony. Are they even trying to fix the database errors anymore?
    It's all so undemocratic, and a throwback to Britain's more elitist days when the upper class lorded it over everyone.

    And no, they're probably not working on the database errors any more. They care even less for the spam sadly. And now we have no avatars so yay us.
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    It's all so undemocratic, and a throwback to Britain's more elitist days when the upper class lorded it over everyone.

    And no, they're probably not working on the database errors any more. They care even less for the spam sadly. And now we have no avatars so yay us.
    But... But you said this in another thread

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    Like the people can be trusted to run a country. We need to invest more power in fewer individuals. Maybe.
    And you like the EU which is very undemocratic.

    Make up your damn mind!



    Also I agree with JackRabbit.



    Edit: I would rather have our avatars released back to us and put up with data base errors.
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    But... But you said this in another thread



    And you like the EU which is very undemocratic.

    Make up your damn mind!



    Also I agree with JackRabbit.



    Edit: I would rather have our avatars released back to us and put up with data base errors.
    But the EU is a significant step towards a better tomorrow. Once more people start paying more attention to it rather than burying their heads in the sand praying it will go away I'm sure there will be reforms. A united European superpower is the most efficient means of generating money and cultural influence, and I'm sure it can be achieved democratically. Given how stupid most people are and how the masses can't be trusted I wouldn't hold out too much hope though, not without a significant campaign of re-education to dampen down petty thoughts of nationalism. Unification certainly worked for Germany and the United Kingdom.
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    keep it. the majority of them are people with 'real jobs', they serve as a check for the rampant politicians. It's not perfect, but the oversite is useful.

    that and pie.
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